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« : 25.12.08 - klo:18:37 »

Itse kuulun pieneen vähemmistöön (en tiedä oikein muita jotka jakavat mielipiteeni) sananvapauden suhteen, eli kannatan lähestulkoon rajoittamatonta sananvapautta. En saanut sivulta oikein selvää kuvaa mitä mieltä tämä yhdistys on, koska tavanomaisesti sananvapautta kannattava yhdistys tukee kyllä tiettyjä (joskus isojakin) rajoituksia sananvapauteen, mm. lapsipornoon ja esim. rasismiin liittyen. Tässä on essee englanniksi joka selventää omaa kantaani:

Freedom of speech has been said to be the foundation of modern democracy, and a fundamental part of the Western civilization. According to statistics, pretty much everyone claims to support freedom of speech. The claimed support of freedom of speech is widespread even amongst Muslims, of whom over 90% support it[1]. However, I'm positive that the numbers would be different if the question was whether it should be legal to draw cartoons about the prophet Muhammad.

This reveals the unfortunate fact that even though almost everyone claims to support freedom of speech, their definition of freedom of speech is quite restricted. This is of course something that not only Muslims do, but almost everyone. In this text I will define the framework to achieve what I like to call absolute freedom of speech. Even it will have a limited restriction, but only because of the current technological level of our society. I believe with sufficient technology absolute freedom of speech will be possible indeed.

I do not know a single nation that does not “guarantee freedom of speech” in their constitution. It is included in pretty much any EU country, in the US, in China and even in North Korea. This shows that the word itself is pretty meaningless, since the custom is to claim to have freedom of speech and still have a widespread censorship system in place. This applies to Western nations too, not only to countries like North Korea where the situation is abhorrent.

By freedom of speech in this context I do not only mean speech, but information in any media, be it a sound recording, a picture or a video. The whole point of freedom of speech is to allow even the crazy, disgusting information to be made available. Some people have the skewed view that freedom of speech should only allow the mutually agreed, fun beliefs, and not the disgusting and offending stuff. But such a view is against the whole idea of freedom.

This doesn't mean that a support of freedom of speech should agree with beliefs like racism or Neo-Nazism. One has the whole right to fight against an idea or ideology, but the point is to not fight them by making thoughts illegal. The proper way to fight them is with the freedom of expression, rational discussion and debating. German has ironically banned Neo-Nazism, using the same tactics that Nazis used themselves.

The restrictions in Western nations are widespread. However, as I said earlier, the information that is banned is often disgusting, but even such information should be allowed. For example, there is a community in the internet who like to collect and share pictures and videos of violent nature, often showing dead people and gory accidents. Even if this is disgusting to some, it should be allowed. Some countries have naturally tried to ban it, like German. According to the prime minister of Finland, Matti Vanhanen, such information is illegal in Finland too[2].

Violent material, like violent video games or movies have often attracted supporters of censorship. Some games in German and Australia are banned when they were deemed too violent. Modifications like green blood are often applied in such countries to get past the censorship board. The reason  for this censorship is usually that playing these games make children violent. Although some studies seem to indicate a small correlation, this is a not proper argument for censorship. The human right for freedom of expression overrides this claim, as freedom as a concept often has a price. If a civilization starts to censorship all material that has a correlation with 'immoral' behaviour, they would have to censor a large chunk of information available, everything from critically acclaimed books to heavy metal songs.

Racism is something that also attracts hordes of politically correct censorship supporters. Although such speech is mostly secured in the U.S (if it does not directly call for violence against people), the situation is worse in the EU. An EU directive was recently passed that makes it illegal to incite hatred against a particular race among other things[3]. This law can the be applied to sweep away racist websites and organisations, which already happens in a number of EU countries. Belgium banned a Flemish nationalist party, even when it had a popularity of 24%.

The same EU directive also banned “grossly trivializing genocide”, effectively banning any historical research which might conclude something other than the 'official truth' defined the by the state. Holocaust denial was already banned in many European countries before this law, and now will be illegal in all EU states. An acclaimed historian David Irving was prisoned in Austria for his thought crime of 'identifying with the Germany Nazi Party', although the real reason was writing a book with wrong conclusions regarding the Holocaust.

I've showed that censorship is widespread in Western nations, but I would like to show one more example of a disgusting information which should be allowed just like any other information you disagree with. For example, take the reasoning behind the banning of violent crimes: “Violent games should be banned because they create violence”. Now, lets switch the words for the argument against an other type of information: “Child pornography should be banned because they create child abuse.”

Although child pornography is extremely disgusting, it is not to be excluded like a dogma from the freedom of expression. First of all, child rapists should be hunted like any other criminal for their crime of child abuse. This does not mean that the actual video tape of such act should be illegal! It is like saying that a video tape of a terrorist attack should be illegal. Even though it does not matter whether or not these films create child abuse (meaning that the viewers supposedly will turn into child rapists), there is scientific study done that shows the link between pornography and rapes. It turns out that the more pornography is made available, the less rape is committed[5]. Legalising child porn might actually decrease child abuse. It would also make it possible to create child porn without hurting any child using film techniques like computer-generated imagery.

Having widespread censorship system to fight child porn also makes it easier to ban other information. First it is child porn, then it is violent material, then it is racism and so forth, the list continues. Finally just offending or criticising someone is made illegal. This is of course called libel, where you cannot make so called 'wrong facts', and leaving it to the justice system to define the 'official truth'. This is of course used to silence critics of movies, restaurants, religions or large corporations. It is more widespread in the EU than the US, since the constitution of US is based on the idea of freedom of speech.

I define absolute freedom of speech to create any information available. A practical example of this would be an internet server, that would serve information to anyone who requests it. To define it this way, things like spamming and shouting in public are not covered by freedom of speech, since it forces people to receive information. The current technological level however creates one restriction.

The only restriction that I believe can be accepted is information which ricks the destruction of the whole human civilization. There is no philosophical justification for this, only practical ones. If we want to survive the next 100 years, some information ought to be banned. These might include instructions to create extremely powerful weapons. However, it must be pointed out that this restriction only applies for now. When we will have advanced enough technology, this restriction can be removed, since anyone trying to create those weapons can be prevented using high technology.

There are several practical objections made by people against absolute freedom of speech. One is that if freedom is absolute, people could just print fake money. However, I defined freedom of speech only to make information available, so it would be legal to post pictures of money on a website, not to print them and break a contract between the state and a person.

Another concern is privacy. I support privacy, and agree that breaking into somebody's house should be illegal. If that does happen and the information leaks out, people should be able to share that information freely though. The breaking into the house is the real crime committed. In a similar objection, a bank worker breaks the law if he uploads private information to his web server, since he had signed a contract with the bank not do that. However, once the information is downloaded it can be freely shared. In practice, it is also impossible to destroy information once it has been leaked out.

What then prevents somebody from creating a robot, that reads an internet site and acts according to commands posted there? Well, the person controlling the robot through the website is not breaking any law, but whoever created the dangerous robot in the first place is. Some people also say that rich people can just post death threats with a price to his web server. If anyone follows such threats the killer is obviously responsible for the death. To prevent this kind of practice the proper solution is to have better technology to prevent and catch crime, not to restrict freedom of speech.

Would it then legal to post a computer virus to a web server? Yes, it would. Whoever downloads the computer virus and activates it is responsible for any damage created by that computer. The real solution is again proper computer security, not restricting freedom of speech. Computer viruses (and the source code to them) are even now freely available in the net.

Freedom of speech is something that most people claim to support, but are actually supporters of censorship and thought crime. The first kinds of information to be censored are naturally the nasty and disgusting things, not things that the majority of people agree with. A small censorship law unfortunately creates a slippery slope leading to larger censorship, and the progress in the last few decades in Western nations is not something to be proud about. If censorship is not fought against it tends to always increase.

Sources:

   1.Who Speaks for Islam?, John L. Esposito and Dalia Mogahed
   2.Selvitys: Web-sensuuri saa kannatusta puoluejohtajilta, Tietokone
   3.EU adopts measure outlawing Holocaust denial, International Herald Tribune
   4.Blow to Belgium's far right, BBC News
   5.Northwestern Univ. Law Professor: Porn decreases rape, Mark Kernes
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« Vastaus #1 : 25.12.08 - klo:19:12 »

Yksi elämänfilosofiani kulmakivistä sanoo "ihmisen oikeus olla idiootti on suurin ja tärkein vapaus". Lähtökohtaisesti maailmassa on reilut 6 miljardia ihmistä, joilla on vähintään yksi väärä mielipide. Sensuuria ja sananvapauden "luonnollisia" rajoituksia perustellaan juuri tällä, eli väärien mielipiteiden kieltämisellä. Ongelma on asian sataprosenttinen subjektiivisuus, eli kulloinkin valtaa pitävän tahon mielipide määrittää, mitä saa ajatella.

Juridinen raja määräytyy mielestäni aiheutuneesta vahingosta. Kirjoittaminen ja piirtäminen eivät aiheuta haavoja kuin korkeintaan huolimattomalle piirtäjälle itselleen. Itseilmaisun rajoittamisessa on kyse ajatusrikoksista.

En taatusti halua nähdä kaikkea, mitä voidaan piirtää. Toisaalta, ei minun tarvitsekaan. Sananvapaus implikoi ehdottomasti myös vapautta olla kuulematta tai lukematta näitä sanoja. Aivan kuten oikeaoppinen kulttuuridiversiteetti tarkoittaa, että voin tutustua toisen maan kulttuuriin mutta voin myös olla tutustumatta. Tämän puljun peejii taisi ilmaista asian toteamalla, että on normaalia vierastaa vierasta. Mielestäni se pätee myös sananvapauden keskusteluun.

Jos tuosta tekstiä pitäisi avainsanoja onkia, varmasti lapsiporno on toimiva esimerkki. Hyssyttelyllä ja sensuurilla Suomen valtio on ainoastaan edistänyt lasten hyväksikäyttöä ja pahentanut hyväksikäytettyjen lasten asemaa. Esitän sen myötä ohessa maallistieteellisen spekulaation ihmisen vaistoista.

Tiedämme, että ihmisellä on nyky-yhteiskuntaan sopimattomia geeniperimän vaistoja, kuten monenlaista väkivaltaa. Vastaavat vaistot ohjaavat myös seksuaaliviettiä ja kuten eläinkunnastakin tiedämme, vietit voivat olla monen suuntaisia. Ihminen on oppinut sivilisaation myötä etsimään vaihtoehtoja viettien hallintaan. Teatteri ja sen myötä elokuva ja televisio ovat yksi suuri esimerkki näistä. Pelit ja kirjallisuus kulkevat samoilla kiskoilla. Olenne löytäneet äärimmäisen tehokkaita tapoja auttaa ihmisiä tutkimaan psyykkeensä niitä puolia, jotka eivät sovi yhteiskuntaan. On selvää, etteivät nämä tavat ole sataprosenttisia, ihmisiä vain on niin erilaisia. Niiden teho on kuitenkin uskomattoman voimakas. Sensuuri tuhoaa tätä parantavaa voimaa ja tuo sen sijaan pinnalle ne kaikkein ikävimmät ilmentymät, joista haluaisimme eroon.

En ole tiedepersoona, mutta perustuen erinäisiin numeroihin maailmalta, väittäisin että kaiken maailman olisi syytä uskoa fiktion parantavaan voimaan.
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« Vastaus #2 : 26.12.08 - klo:06:02 »

http://www.sananvapaudenpuolesta.fi/forum/index.php/topic,2.0.html

Alkuun haluaisin muistuttaa sääntöjen kohdasta 8. Mutta menköön nyt näin...

Esimerkiksi lapsipornon haluan pitää kiellettynä - en siksi, mitä siitä mahdollisesti seuraa, vaan siksi, mitä se itsessään on; todellisen lapsen hyväksikäyttöä.

Kääntäen; jos lapsiporno ei ole todellisen lapsen hyväksikäyttöä - vaan käytetään esimerkiksi todistettavasti täysi-ikäisiä näyttelijöitä tai tietokoneanimaatiota, puhumattakaan ihan rehellisestä animaatiosta - niin sitten saa olla.

Nykyään käytetään ilmaisua "sukupuolisiveellisyyden loukkaus". Minusta tämä on aika vastenmielistä. Ei sukupuolisiveellisyys ole mikään ajatteleva ja tunteva olento. Lapsi kyllä onkin.

Toinen esimerkki on tekijänoikeudet. Mielestäni sananvapauteen kuuluu myös sananvapauden käyttäjän vapaus määrätä, ketkä teosta saavat lukea ja joutuvatko he mahdollisesti maksamaan korvauksia. Tämä on kantani periaatteellisella tasolla; häikäilemättömästi toimivien tekijöiden etujärjestöjen kanssa tällä ei ole mitään tekemistä. Tekijänoikeuksien yksityiskohdat voivat ansaita omankin vääntönsä.
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